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Multisingularity
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 02:31 am |
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
This video will explain it all far better than I can. I have been stating this for quite some time now, but here it is. Our economic system is just a way of creating slaves without those slaves knowing that they are. Enjoy the knowledge, spread it.
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 01:22 pm |
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Incredible.........I have to leave at the moment so I haven't seen the whole thing as yet.....but thanks Multi......things are out of control in the world....40% owning the worlds money....and even worse things........If we can find a way to realize to welcome this knowledge so we may see just how bad it is and see how we can aid in the changes needed......know that what is going on in our banks and government at this moment is going to bring on the changes we need....there is no turning back...things HAVE to change right now......how amazing is it this is hitting at the time of our new election? Nothing is a mistake right now......we can all...even if by projecting in our thoughts and changing our thoughts,,,aid in bringing about those very things we want to change...to heal...on this whole planet...see this happening for a great reason....there is a lot of fear out there thinking the world is going to die off ....people are in a big panic.....but, in order to heal these awful ways we have been living...we need to hit rock bottom first....and looks like we are just about at rock bottom NOW.
envision the planet living in Peace and Harmony...envision it everyday.....thoughts are things people...and just because you are not an activist or in a political position doesn't mean you cannot help this situation along....see it ...see it as you know God wanted it to be...or rather how God 'made' it....get rid of the visions that brought this whole mess about and into being.
we did it.......and we can undo it.....we are here in this lifetime right now because we were meant to be........we were not only chosen but we signed up for this task....it's time to step up to the plate........time to put into action what you were meant to do to be a part of the changes happening.
If some issue is nagging at you.....some thing you 'feel' you could do to help this planet heal in ANY way.....even some thing you feel is small or minute...do it........if it's nagging at you then that is God ...angels...guides trying to tell you something.......trying to show and tell you this is your time....your turn....Fear is a huge part of this problem...those who are filthy rich are afraid of losing their money thinking that is what keeps them alive........and without it they cannot live.....that is the problem with this whole planet.....money....greed....it is pure evil at this point....think about it......health...home...food...more and more people die from no health aid...not enough food...homeless.......etc...because....they don't have money.....and how sick is that?????
Our government LETS people die for no money...health care...no home...I'll say it again...OUR government( who we gave power to...) LETS human beings DIE...so, they pretty much are 'killing' us....they give more care to 'endangered animals' than to human beings......( don't misunderstand my point....I think they SHOULD help endangered animals.) but I also think they should help and take care of 'endangered HUMANS....like the sick...children and elderly...they lose out first....then the rest of us will follow.....
so, Multis....thanks for the video...which I will finish later today.......but I thank you very much for getting my blood boiling....my heart racing...and my butt in gear!!!!!!!!!
I hope it will do the same for everyone else.....
Peace to us all....Dee
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Posted: Tue Oct 21st, 2008 09:38 pm |
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Careful here, people. They are mixing apples and oranges and coming up with some alarming anti-capitalist statements. Democracy and capitalism, free trade, all these things are fundamentally good. If you live in a democracy, if you live in a country where you can choose your life, then the only thing you are a slave to is your own limiting beliefs.
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Multisingularity
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Posted: Wed Oct 22nd, 2008 12:01 am |
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I respectfully disagree with you redbird. What that video is doing is giving out the facts for the most part. The truth is that the capitalist system really is built on a system of debt and designed in such a way that no matter what, there will always be people who can't afford to live decently.
A working capitalist system would be one where the amount of money in circulation was all that was used. That's why the gold standard was originally put into place. The dollar is now worth only 3 cents on the same standard is was built upon thanks to the behind the scenes workings of the system you are supporting.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 02:50 am |
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The video said that what gives new money value is existing money. The spiritual truth of it is what gives any money value is our belief that it has value.
Besides, I would rather live in a capitalist system that's not running perfectly than in any other economic system. I'm actually quite happy to see the banquet of opportunities spread out before me. We live in an abundant universe. We have much to be grateful for.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 12:50 pm |
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I try to remember to have faith in what I feel lies ahead for us all.....we don't have to give the power to those who have controlled up till now.....huge changes are coming and to me that is what is important....we will take the power of our lives back to where it was meant to be in the first place....this whole mess happened for some reason...even if it was so people would turn to God and spirit and open themselves up to the healing coming,,,It won't be this way much longer.....and that faith I have and that trust in spirit is what gets me through this rough patch....what lies ahead is going to be a peaceful way of living....try to remember to see that picture and send out that picture to the universe...our anger at the system won't help it...and it may just feed it? I don't have the answers and am trusting in that power of God and the universe to heal....and that is where I send my prayers to......to the universe to heal it all.......and whether we realize it or not there are many many people and events out there that have been moving in a very positive motion already...as bad as we see things there are a lot of great things going on to heal already....and this election may be another great move towards the right path of this planet.....we WILL get there....just know it to be true...don't feed the bad stuff and find a way to release those bad thoughts and ideas out and ask they be healed....The healing IS taking place as we speak...you can join in and help the healing or not...but please take the steps you are able to in your life and world to help it all heal. The more who join the cause the quicker it will come to be. we don't want to wait...it would just be a waste of our time and power......Empower yourselves is what they are telling me.......Embrace that power God gave you...this is OUR planet...OUR universe...OUR gift of life from GOD....use this gift wisely they say.....show GOD and the universe just how much power you KNOW you have....Be an advocate...DO your part....as small as you may think it is ....It ISN'T small. There is nothing 'small' about a child of GOD.
sorry folks....got carried away I guess.
The fact is....it IS going to get better! Envision what you want to see 5 years from now...it's that simple....and then 'feed' that glorious vision.
Blessings everyone......D
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 03:21 pm |
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Redbird,
I totally agree.with your post....Spreading the wealth may sound great to some; would not be so great in reality.
The facts are being turned and twisted; we should be very careful . My father is a farmer. He has worked 12 -18 hours daily since he was a teenager...He's 83 now..He has managed to buy his farm by working so hard, no vacations, no luxuries. Now someone wants to "spread it around." This is not what our country was founded on. People like my father should be rewarded for all he had done to create any wealth he has.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 09:50 pm |
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Thank you, Dee, for your last post. You struck the heart of some important things– not to give our power away, to do our part however small that may seem.
Maureen– Like minds meet again. God bless. I appreciated this post.
Multi– Please know, we're not ganging up on you here. The video opened opened an important subject that happens to be quite close to my heart.
Besides, doggone it, I love my country. I love democracy, capitalism, free trade, opportunity. There is nothing quite so beautiful and challenging as freedom. We are only left to figure out what to do with it.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 10:35 pm |
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Maureen,
I hope you know I wasn't saying anything to minimize the life your father led to do what he had to do and boy did he succeed at it! In spite of the mess our countries money situation has been in for decades...or more...
It's men, and women, like your dad who keep this country going......I just wanted you to know how proud I am of people just like him....I know you're proud of him as well.........and I also hope he carries pride in himself for the huge accomplishments he has made in his lifetime!
I just feared you took my post wrong and wanted to clarify.....
I can't imagine how 'tired' this man must be......and how hard he must have had to work to actually be able to buy his farm........I have to say that the specifics in being a farmer these days is just awful....government has to have their control on everything!!!!!! even as to how much a farmer can grow of one crop and must also grow something else.....and then give them practically nothing for those 18 hours days for the rest of their life.........It's sick....just plain sick.
He certainly shouldn't be made to share any of what he worked so hard for.......
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 05:33 am |
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Maureen.. what you say is exactly what the problem is. Your father has worked his whole life... With no vacations, no breaks, and incredibly hard.. Meanwhile, people are out there that do absolutely nothing and have absolutely everything. The thing isn't to take away from those who work hard.
On that same note... Work hard itself is a subjective phrase. Some people work hard in very different ways.
The next big change that is occurring is the removal of the middle man. Engineers creations will go right to the consumer, without the company profiting off their genius. Same with near everything as technology increases. You misunderstand all I am saying. The idea is to move away from this pyramidal type system where many peopel who work incredibly hard struggle to survive and into a system of abundance where EVERYONE gets EVERYTHING they want. Including your hard working father.
With peace, love, light, hope, and of course faith... Good times are coming, and wonderful changes are on the way. The old system built on lies, corruption, and taking advantage of the hard work of others for only personal gain is going to collapse. It's already happening. Heres to the future
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 06:04 am |
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Maureen and Redbird
You are both expressing the exact same sentiments that I have. My Dad, who just died three weeks ago at 94, was an immigrant who could not speak the language when he came here. He worked all his life to send all of his children to school because he believed in education and wanted them to have a better life. To take the money he made and "re-distribute" it is just WRONG! Only in this great country of ours, I mean, in this great democracy and CAPITALIST country of ours, could a man like my Dad, who didn't even speak the language for crying out loud, die with all of his dreams coming true for himself, my mother and his children. There are thousands of stories like my Dad...Maureen, your Dad is one of them. I hope and pray to God that we as a Nation do not let those who want to be in power take from those who have struggled and worked so hard and "re-distribute" it to those who are not willing to see the opportunities this great country offers them and would rather have Big Brother take care of them.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 01:51 pm |
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that big change is indeed coming...and yes that system will collapse. We are proud of your fathers for all they did...they were examples of many things for the rest of us to strive to and for.
I'm sorry about your dad rnrn5....those days of power to the wrong people will end when this big change occurs and that is what I look forward to....reaping what we sow.........that rings true for those we have abused and corrupted the system for their own benefit....(the meek shall inherit the earth)....this huge change coming is for the meek I believe. For those who have had to sit by and watch those take and hold the power around the world...it won't last much longer...It may have had to get to this point in order for it to turn around? I don't know? I do know it's coming to an end....I focus on the future. Knowing what the future is going to be is what gets me through this mess. Those in power right now are running scared as they should! Those of us who are the enlightened ones are not afraid but instead at peace with the knowing it won't be much longer. It's going to be a bumpy ride....but worth every bit of it! Do you think? What do you feel for the future? Are you 'hopeful'....or do you 'know'?
I envision how life was meant to be lived...and I go with that....feed the universe with those pictures. I don't just hope anymore...I see it...feel it....and trust it.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 08:44 pm |
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Thank you, Rick. Well spoken indeed.
Okay all,
I'm going to ask of anyone coming to this thread, if you are going to come to this thread and talk against capitalism and free enterprise, then come out and say what economic system you are for, because I'm seeing some gray areas. You can't be for capitalism and free enterprise and be against it at the same time.
As for the video, it is loaded with anti-American and anti-capitalist sentiments. It presents a classic socialist argument. The fellow near the beginning announcing ominously how mankind is naturally competitive with the inference that this is something bad is a socialist sentiment– one not that supports the gold standard, but rather against free trade and commerce which is the foundation of capitalism and democracy. That is one example of how it is mixing apples and oranges.
There is a term for a degraded democracy that is run by special interests, which I won't get into here, but I will point out that this video is so entrenched in anti-American and anti-capitalist thought that it is not approaching that topic with basic truths intact. Those truths are that democracy and capitalism are fundamentally good. Neither does the video address corruption as a singular issue. It uses alleged corruption as fuel for anti-capitalist sentiments and the promotion of socialist thought.
What it fails to address is that in any and every political and economic system, there is some corruption. There is also some corruption at every level of power from the gutter to the upper echelons. This video will take a blemish, or fabricate a blemish, and propose it as evidence for the evils of capitalism. Yet it ignores some basic capitalist and democratic thought, like free trade and competition tends to promote better products and services and allows the doors of opportunity to remain open for all.
It is a veiled presentation. If anyone here does knowingly and openly support socialism, that is your free choice, and here in the U.S.A. where we have freedom of speech you are perfectly free to express that. My caution here is you must understand. If you choose to walk in knowingly that is your choice. But my suspicion is that some people here are not reading between the lines. You may be buying something before you understand what it is.
Finally, I will say we can choose to blame our unhappiness or financial troubles on others, but we must understand that we will be handing over our power to those people or institutions that we blame. Our other option is to examine our belief system and take our power back. I say again, we are slaves to no one save our own limiting beliefs.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 12:12 am |
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I think we get in trouble when we start thinking we are enlightened and "they" aren't enlightened. Who's to say?
My father realized the American dream...it would not have been possible in most places on earth. He did work hard, but he did reap the benefits..bought a large farm..
Remember --when you have a government that can give you everything..they also have the power to take it all away.
I believe in a capitalist system..it's not a bad word. The people who don't like this way of living should try it other places; see how it is..
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 02:46 am |
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| HHHHhhhmmmmm......now I'd like to reply but fear someone will take it wrong......HM..
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 12:16 am |
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| Please feel free to express yourself..I certainly didn't mean to cut off conversation. We all have a right to an opinion.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 01:12 am |
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My only response to this would be that at this point with our better future ahead and the change coming...well...this whole change that IS coming will take care of all of these issues we now face with the way our government runs and the corruption for this or that...It doesn't matter that how ever bad ours is now and how it may be worse elsewhere.....because I thought what this was more about was just how wonderful the 'change' is going to make things for us all....everywhere.....when the whole planet becomes 'enlightened' everything will be as it was meant to be in the first place....so getting angry at what a video shows or says just simply doesn't matter to me anyway....I don't care if it's true what the video says....I don't care what our government says either......I love the strength your dad (maureen) had do accomplish what he did....he did it 'inspite' of this sick world we live in and inspite of all he had going against him........I honor his strength ....I'm proud of him as a human being in this world of chaos and corruption.....but...........the corruption will be gone......the chaos as well.......we will be at a state of peace....and I do believe that with all my heart...and that is what gets me through these times. The knowing that it will soon be over and done. If people choose not to live in that peace they don't have to come back here...It will be peace or nothing at all....
so, does it really matter about the words we use? Or what this or that really means? the only thing that matters is it will be done? I don't do well with politics....I find I even vote 'defensively' ...in other words I know who I 'don't' want to vote for and when you look at it that way it's all pretty sad when we feel no one is really going to do all they say they want to do....In reality none of them do.
so, I guess that's all I wanted to ask everyone.
why get angry at someone when in the long run it really isn't going to matter any more.........I also am a true believer that politics and religion are the worst subjects ever to be discussed.....it always turns into a nasty confrontation..no?
so, love you all anyway.........so there....Dee
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 06:54 am |
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SIGH... OK, PLEASE READ THIS FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION:
First off, well spoken Dee, as always you are great.
So, to clarify, noone has ever said the money in existence should be redistributed. Not a one. It seems many of you are quick to jump the gun and immediately assume anti American sediments whereas this is not the case.
What I have been stating is not a reallocation of the current funds. Nor am I saying we switch to a socialism environment. What I am supporting, and what the video is supporting, is switching to a resource based society as opposed to the horribly corrupt system we have now. Even the concept of a resource based economy is far more complex than socialism. A lot of it invovles technology that doesn't even exist yet, but is in the making. One of these inventions in the making is a printer that prints in 3d. In other words, you can literally print out a car if you want to. I have already used a primitive form of this technology that only printed plastics, but ones that print in basic metals are already in existence.
About all of your fathers. It is wonderful that they were able to work hard and suffer their whole lives so their children can be happy. That really is great that YOU are happy. But wouldn't it be nice if not only you had everything, but your parents did too? That they wouldn't have had to struggle?
NOW:
Unfortunately this system I am talking about, is currently not possible to put into place. Not because the idea is flawed, it's because people simply are still flawed. As long as corruption exists, and people exist in such a way so that they will blindly follow, no system will work.
In addition to the above, there is also some more technology that needs to come into existence before all of this is truly possible.
I come from a background where I have experienced all both sides of this spectrum. My grandfather worked very hard his whole life to amass a large amount a large amount of money. In addition he is a good man and treats all his employees well. He does deserve a great life and I am glad he has it.
My mother on the other hand, has worked hard her whole life. She is an amazingly caring, wonderful person. None the less, she has struggles her entire life just to stay afloat. Is their any reason why my mother deserves any less than my grandfather?
For that matter... Is there any reason why anyone that works hard their whole life doesn't deserve everything?
In addition, just because your ancestors worked hard, doesn't mean that the offspring of their offspring should just get to have everything while doing nothing while others have nothing while doing everything.
To put this into perspective... Paris Hilton... need I say more?
Unfortunately.. A lot of what I speak is still idealism. The ideal society is on the horizon as the big changes are underway. It is incredibly difficult for me to even begin to explain the intricacys of all that is to come, partly because I don't know them myself. I can tell you though, everyone will have everything. Noone will lose anything. You will still have everything your father earned... But so will everyone else. It's not a matter of redistributing... But a matter of ABUNDANCE... For... EVERYONE.
To truly understand all I am saying, you need to escape the framework you are currently confining yourselves in. The videos main points really are more about opening peoples eyes to the corruption that exists.
You speak of freedom of speach... Well lets talk about the word terrorism and gunatanamo bay. What is terrorism? Anything that speaks/does anything that the people in charge dislike. the terrorist watch list has over a million people on it... Many of them simply Americans that spoke their mind. In addiotin to that, anyone can be taken at any time without explanation, legally speaking. There is so much wrong with this country it's absurd. Our health care system is terrible; Our system of "rehabilitation" makes things worse; Our economy is backwards; Our police are essentially nothing more but a legal gang; Our public school systems are atrocious for the most part (I've gone to public school and private school, the difference is absurd)... And this is only scratching the surface.
Stop fearing positive change and stop lookign for reasons to support what is unfair. Your fathers did not work in vein, they did what they had to for their families... But I'm sure if given the option to not have to struggle/suffer and to achieve the same results, they would have taken it.
I hope I cleared some things up.
I love you all, and I just really more than anything want these ideals to become a reality. Remember, we are all one. If your neighbor is suffering, than a part of you is in pain.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 09:26 am |
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please lets not go down the same road everyone can have thier own opinion right or wrong its not for us to judge
Love & Light
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 12:31 pm |
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well said multi..........and Emma
I've always felt since I was very young that people shouldn't have to make a certain amount of money to have a roof over your head.......everyone should have a safe place to live.....and in paying for that roof you shouldn't have to 'not eat'.....If we can't afford a roof OR food......guess what .....we live on the streets..........that really sucks in my book......I cannot wait for the change coming......My brother was homeless for a few months before he had a heart attack and died.....he lived on the railroad tracks with other homeless people........no one in our family knew.....the next time any of us saw him he was in a coma.......brain dead.....and we had to (three months later) take him off life support..he was 35 years old.....
In my opinion....the world can really really suck for a whole lotta people.....BUT...I know it isn't going to be this way forever.......we are ALL going to live as equals again....soon. Thank you God for that!
love to you all.....Dee
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