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Posted: Sat Nov 15th, 2008 11:22 pm |
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It has come down to this. I have read the posts regarding capitalism v. socialism and the video associated therewith. I have read all of the posts regarding Obama as the great savior of this nation...I have even seen him refered to as an Indigo child...and I have said nothing.
But I can no longer be silent...watching from the sidelines...Everything that Obama supposedly wants to accomplish regarding peace and international solidarity and economic stability is all well and good.
What has NEVER been addressed on this forum is his stance on ABORTION. He is in favor of the Freedom Of Choice Act (FOCA) which will vitrually lift any and all prohibitions against abortion. No parental consent...no State action to curb this atrocity...no nothing...including sending MY TAX DOLLARS TO MEXICO AND OTHER COUNTRIES TO FUND ABORTIONS.
I had a child with Down Syndrome who died at 8 years old. My wife and I were counseled to "get rid of her" so she would not be a burden to us! Obviously we refused and she was the greatest gift God could have ever given us...
Everyone on this forum is looking for "CHANGE" and a "New Begining"...and eveyone thinks it will begin with Obama...and maybe it will...but ONLY if he changes his stance on Abortion.
THERE WILL WILL NEVER BE PEACE IN THIS COUNTRY OR THIS WORLD AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE MURDER OUR OWN CHILDREN.
This is an Angel forum people....my angels and guides have pushed me to write this as it is not my personality.
Ask your Angels and they will tell you that this issue is an abomination before God!!
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Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 01:58 am |
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Hi rn
I'm sorry about this......I understand completely your feelings and they are justified..not that you have to justify them to any of us....I've never thought abortion was ok....but then I've been raped and I cannot tell you in All honesty that if by that rape I got pregnant I could have had the baby....I honestly do not know.. I was 17yrs.old. ..I don't condone it.....I wish I never heard of it....I wish we never thought of it.....
I only try to get by in this world day by day...it's the only way I know how. except I DO have hope for the future to come when these things will no longer go on...
things like this are why this planet if falling apart in the first place....
I SO understand your anger....
I'm sorry it took anger for you to join us...
still love ya though..dee
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rnrn5
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Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 02:47 am |
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Oh Dee
If I were in your position at 17 years old...I don't know what I would have done either. I am not angry...I am disappointed, discouraged but passionate that we, as a society or world cannot survive when we dispose of our children like they are garbage... just for convenience sake.
My wife and I were older. Our children were grown. We could have "gotten rid of her" and no one would have been the wiser. She was my life. She still is my life. To not have experienced her love and laughter would have been worse than all of the economic woes, international woes and all other woes that we think are so important...they are not!
I do not judge anyone. Everyone on this planet has to make his/her own way and make his/her own decisions. I do not think the government should be sticking its nose in a decision like this and in order to be honored by the spirit world I must stand up for what I believe...and I believe that to wantonly take millions of unborn lives in our society, for convenience sake, means we will NEVER have true peace...here in our country or anywhere in the world.
As I said, ask your angels...they will tell you the truth...no matter who the president is.
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Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 12:56 pm |
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well,I can certainly understand your disappointments
While I don't agree with everything about Obama I do feel strongly that the right person was elected...only because I feel there is something coming for us and he was the person 'meant' to be elected...? I don't know why...but I just feel it...and I'm hoping we as a nation chose the right man for our 'future' events to come... I find I look at things more from a spiritual nature...and go with my gut feelings a lot of the time. My feelings are about the changes ahead and I don't focus on the anything but that.....feeling that things are going to change for the better no matter who is in charge and that they would change as they are meant to if NO ONE was in charge...
I guess I don't look at politics as I used to these days...I see everything from my spiritual gut...I don't think I'm getting my point across here...sorry....This place is a mess....the positive is coming but it is coming because of people like us...who are working to save the planet....not any political person...so to me whether or not Obama is in office, these great things coming are going to happen...whether 'he' or any other political person in any office wants it to or not.
I know you don't judge rn......and I fully understand where you are coming from...and to be very honest I don't think I would have had an abortion if I were to get pregnant...I'm sorry I even put that out there for the world to see....
in my mind abortions are no worse than children starving and homeless....or young men being killed in a war...or abuse children suffer at the hands of stupid mean people...they are all wrong in my mind. Which is why I get so excited about the changes to come...It's not a man ruling this country who is going to save us or our planet...It's going to be the people like 'us' in this forum....Lightworkers....all of us with knowledge....all the more reason to get out there and do our parts. However small a part we think it is....one small deed will ripple until this whole damn planet is cured and all those who need to heal will heal....think about how many people out there are just plain ignorant to God and the new things coming....many out there just don't even know...how sad they go on day after day without any knowledge of what is really going on and what is really going to come......there will be a shock factor....and it's people like us who will have to help them...no matter 'who' they were during this lifetime....they all deserve a chance at what we already know....
so, now that I've gotten off track here.....
I'll always remember the picture you posted of you and your sweet daughter dancing....and cannot wait for you and her to be together again, knowing how much you miss her and hurt for her....
much love rn.....dee
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Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 01:00 pm |
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I my self do not believe in abortion....I believe every person has a gift to this world and some as parents are really blessed with special children....I have found the children that have special needs are some of the most loving and caring children of the world...
Todays world has a lot of disturbing things in it all we can do is pray and each of us have to do what we are being led to do..Dana
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Posted: Sun Nov 16th, 2008 11:38 pm |
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| I also do not believe that abortion could be a solution that God or His angels want. If we support abortion, we are on the wrong road. I did not vote for Obama for many reasons...abortion is one of them. I do not have any personal experience with abortion, but when I was teaching I remember a girl transferring into my 6th grade class...She was 14 and had had 2 abortions. This is tragic..she needed help and counseling that she didn't get. Abortion was not the answer..I have often wondered how those abortions will affect this girl psychologically in the future. So I totally empathize with your feelings on abortion and I am glad you voiced your opinion.
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Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 03:41 am |
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Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 09:59 pm |
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| just so you understand where I'm coming from.....I never did say I was in favor of it.....If it were to happen to me now....I wouldn't have one......but in my past....I can't say....I really don't know. At least I'm being honest about it.....and if I did have one....I think I would have been forgiven...by God at least.....maybe not by people....but I know he would have forgiven me. I don't think we really know for sute what we would do unless it happened to us....I'd certainly never hold it against someone if they had an abortion....I couldn't...dee
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 12:25 pm |
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I have had 3 terminations and I feel that people should be given an option free will I wont go into my reasons but all medical
A child soul who comes into the fetus of the unborn knows what it is signing itself up for with regards to the life lessons and they make that choice knowing full well the outcome my 2 first terminations the souls stayed with me and that is my 2 boys now there is also a girl in spirit waiting for her right time to come.
They niether hate me nor have an opinion on my choices in life.
Everybody should have the choice for whatever reason and I think there are plenty of reasons why somebody should not have a ful pregnancy.
With respect Dee what you brought up is so true and that is one of them Im very sorry for what you have experienced it should never be so that this goes on in life.
And rnrn5 I am sorry for what you have endured also life is so uncertain Im sure your child was a true blessing to you.
Its one of those taboo subjects that will forever have 2 opinions.
Much Love xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 01:13 pm |
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my dear friend Em
thank you....so much....
what I didn't want to bring up is 'my' belief from past readings etc....that it is the soul that gives that body life...the precious part of life......and as you said...that soul 'does' know exactly what is going on.....and that even at times when some one 'loses' a child in early pregnancy it is because,believe it or not, that it was meant to be as a karmic thing or even that the agreements of the lives connected have changed ....and maybe even that the child soul changed his/her mind
If someone cannot believe the way I do that is fine....I don't get angry at them....and it is also very true that this is one of those 'subjects' that a lot of people will never agree on. that doesn't make me angry either....we all have our 'standings' on subjects for our own very good reasons....church and state will never come to peace with each other...I'm so sorry Em....how devastating this must have been for you...Unless someone has been put in that situation I don't think they will ever understand it.....We all do what we think is right at the time....we all do!
Thank goodness God loves us...because no matter what at least we know HE does! and He's the one that counts.
rn....I know how much sadness you have in you and the void you live with every minute of every day....and I hope you find some little bit of peace with the knowledge that it won't be long before you will be able to be with her again...I'm so very sorry you've had to live with this...It's got to be the worst feeling of emptiness a parent could ever have to endure...I pray I never have to go through it...God must have thought you were strong enough...or maybe she is doing good deeds on the other side that she couldn't accomplish here? regardless....she will be here for you again.
As hard as it was to bring this up in here Em..I thank you so very much
I love you all.....deeLast edited on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 01:14 pm by dee
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 02:30 pm |
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Everyone has a choice....I have friends that have been through this they still are friends I do not judge others for this....Em I am sorry about this...
and Dee I am sorry for your experience to...dana
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 03:59 pm |
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This is a touchy subject.
Women have abortions for many reasons.
Maybe a law passed for counselling before abortion.
If abortion was made illegal, women may go to a back street abortionist and we all know what can happen then.
I am sorry about your experience Dee. I too am a survivor.
Love mia xx
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 04:00 pm |
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Thank you for your kind words luckliy for me I havent endured lossing a child after spending time with them my heart goes out to you rnrn5
I have to believe and do believe that it was all in divine order for me it wasnt meant to be even though the choice at the end had to be down to me I still know my 2 boys are from before and one still remains waiting in spirit it was a boy but will come as a girl I have seen him in the old house.
Isnt it awful but I do feel blessed to still have them in my life now
Dee you are wiser than you know lady ! a very special woman who has alot to offer the world and its people
Dana you are so sweet kind and caring yu always listen and ask how everyone is even if you are having a bad time yourself.
Blessings and much love to you all xxxx
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namaste
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Posted: Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 02:28 am |
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Do we all agree that the truly valuable aspect of a person is his or her soul?
For me that is true.
God gave us all free will. Isn't it a bit arrogant for men to take that away from his fellow man?
Forcing a woman to term who has been raped or the victim of incest is wrong. Forcing a woman to term in cases where her life is in danger is wrong.
Those choices are for the woman and her God to address.
One can not legislate morality. The notion is naive as well as absurd.
Amen,
paul
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Posted: Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 08:31 pm |
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I feel the need to clarify myself. I did pause before I sent the last posting. I did not want to be misunderstood. The problem is that words are not sufficient at times. Especially when emotions are involved.
When I said that morality can not be legislated I did not mean to infer that having an abortion is immoral. Who am I to judge. That's my whole point. Furthermore, I don't believe that it is the governments role to play God. Passing laws will not achieve what those who espouse these laws intend.
Final point. If those who feel so strongly about a fetus cared as much about orphans then we would not have kids in orphanages.
I apologize for hurting anyone's feelings. ON EITHER SIDE. I can only speak for myself. If you agree fine if not fine. Just food for thought. OK?
paul
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Posted: Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 10:14 pm |
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paul don't feel bad.........it's SO very hard to get a point across in a situation like this one......and when it is politics AND religion or the God word is put in the middle it's hard for some to understand . I never felt the government should have any say in these matters anyway. (I'm not bashing males here...even though it may sound like I am....but If men could get pregnant do you think this would be such and issue..do you think it would be a different situation???? I really wonder......BUT. I don't care either!the thought just crossed my mind once is all..and words do come out of this place ill taken......it's just hard to read a persons 'tone' etc.....I know sometimes I come off or even anyone will come off sounding angry when it isn't the case at all...........and I don't think there is a person in here who IS in favor of abortion.......it's just a fact of life and it is one we as humans have 'made' able to be done....science isn't always a great thing........I don't think any one is in favor of it....but, instead feels it is that persons choice......ergo.......I think Obama is pro choice for that reason.....it is between God and that person and that soul and for what ever reason it is...it just is.......If someone else was elected and they were not pro-choice then they'd be people around the world yelling about that persons position on the subject........we just have to understand that we believe things to be what we believe them to be...and we all have our reasons.....and NO one is right or wrong.....my relationship is with God and that is ALL I hold myself to........I don't, on the other hand, want to hurt anyones feelings.....and I always try to see their side...or understand why they feel a certain way....like you said yourself...we can disagree with out getting angry...or I would hope we could....so, when you say you apologize for hurting anyones feelings...I know why you say it and I feel the exact same way.....
I had to just delete a section of my post.....afraid someone would get hurt or take it the wrong way....I figured it wasn't worth either of the two...so, I let it go
don't feel guilty for speaking your mind...If we in here take it the wrong way it's really not your fault....
besides...we love you.......you turkey! LOL
got ya.............dee
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