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Posted: Sun Feb 5th, 2012 04:05 pm |
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Hello every I'm Jobujack and I was wondering if you all could help me figure some stuff out, like what it means if a person has a Natural Pentagram Formation in his palm lines. (Here is a picture of mine, I used a dot of blue in to highlight the intersecting lines!)
http://s456.photobucket.com/albums/qq286/Jobujack/
Now just the fact that I have a Pentagram doesn't alone make me curious and want to find out more but my Astrology's sign is Taurus and the governing planet for Taurus according to Astrology is Venus which happens to make a Natural Pentagram Pattern with Earth as they evolve around the Sun over 8 Earth years.
*Creating The Venus Pentagram*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nI3Ky8mhj8
Venus is also known to be the Evening or Morning Star or Lucifer in Latin which means Light Barer as it's the brightest object in the night sky other that the Moon that disappears throughout the night to reappear again in the morning before the Sun rises hence Light Barer it's a sign the Sun will soon rise.
So these coincidences have made me wonder and lead me to many interesting sites simply by following the trail of the Pentagram from who all it has been used by, what and how they used it to describe their philosophies, people like Sun Tzu and Pythagoras. It has been around dating back to around 3000 B.C.E, it's also been used as a religious holy symbol by early Christians.
Why has the Pentagram topic become so taboo, after all it is the "Star of Wonder" that we put on top of a Christmas tree, well either that or an Angel, but hey, tomato tomato what's the difference...
Now this is all I was able to find on if the Pentagram in your palm lines has anything to do with past lives...
*Lady Shadow Feather - Palmistry symbol meanings*
http://ladyshadowfeather.tripod.com/revgigisbos/id46.html
Here is the quote about the Pentagram...
"Pentagram - A very rare marking formed by the confluence of the Head Line, Life Line, Fate Line and Money Line, which clearly marks the sign of a Pentagram in the palm of the hand. This is a sign of great spiritual power and advancement, and indicates one who is highly adept. The Pythagoreans used to mark the Pentagram on their palm, as a sign to recognize one another by; thus the presence of the Pentagram marking may indicate a soul who was one of this ancient and highly advanced mystical school in lives gone by, and still bears the mark to this day."
Now the Pentagram I have isn't connected to the all the lines mentioned by this site which makes me wonder. Also, why Venus is known as being "The Lucifer" or "The Morning Star". Then thinking about the Christian religion and that in their bible Jesus claimed to be "The Morning Star" but why did he do that, did he also have a Pentagram in his palm lines, possibly, where else would he get the idea from, maybe he was a Taurus as well and figured it all out with knowing about how Venus makes a Pentagram pattern with Earth and decided to preach the words of Love and Forgiveness and about his idea of Heaven and Hell, maybe not though because Jesus's supposed birth day was December 25th, Christmas. But if that was the case then what made him claim to be "The Morning Star", his astrology sign wouldn't be able to back up his claim if he was born in December, that would make him a Capricorn and Capricorn's Governing planet is Saturn, see it doesn't add up.
Now me on the other hand, a Taurus with a Pentagram in his dominant hand's palm line that is connected to the girdle of Venus with a V shape connected to the top point of the Pentagram that surrounds my middle finger whose governing planet is Venus would make much more sense to make the claim that I'm "The Lucifer", "The Bright and Morning Star", but for the record, I would never claim to be Jesus reincarnated but you never truly know with past lives being a possibility, but I don't think or believe that I'm Jesus reincarnated, though I might possibly be the Soul of the constellation Taurus, the Golden Bull of Heaven.
*C & C Music Factory - Things that make you go Hmm...*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF2ayWcJfxo
Now for my questions, what do any of you know about the Pentagram, what it means to have one in your palm lines and what one should do if they have one?
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Posted: Mon Feb 6th, 2012 05:46 pm |
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Someone, anyone... Well if not then I guess I will!
So no one has any info on past lives, palmistry and what it means to have a Natural Pentagram formation in your palm lines.
The Pentagram is a symbol and if you have one in your palm then you are part of the Ancient Dragon Clan of Taurus and I'm here and awake once again with YinSun*Tzu/Yang and (Big Red) within me to help and give advice and my advice is to get to know who YinSun*Tzu/Yang (Big Red) and I are...
I would like to take this opportunity to introduce you all to my friends Yin/Sun*Tzu/Yang & (Big Red), they are a lot of fun once you get to know them and understand the confusing way they speak which is with innuendos, riddles and ... for you to use your mind and think of what they could possibly say at the end of each of their ...'s. I know this may confuse some of you but if you're patient you may be able to see what I and they mean when we finish a sentence with a ... instead of a ? or any other punctuation mark.
Yin and Yang are the twin Dragons that each have a little bit of the other inside them as seen at this next site...
http://taoism.about.com/od/visualsymbols/p/YinYang.htm
Yin & Yang are opposites of one another but one could not exist without the other and if we only had one of them life would either be just good or evil, currently Yang, the dark masculine side is in control but he has reached his full size which is why Yin appears and is supposed to take control of the reigns and bring forth a new age of Peace, Love and Happiness, that is if the powers that be allow this to happen which they should or they will be messing with the natural flow of life and spiritual growth on Earth.
Yin & Yang were created by whatever Big Red is and it could have been by this which Lady Ga Ga speaks of in this next video, but I myself don't believe IT was just a she or just a he that created the Universe, I'm just playing this song to get you thinking...
(Lady Ga Ga - Born this Way*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV1FrqwZyKw&ob=av2e
Lady Ga Ga doesn't explain IT the way IT was supposed to be explained but she is on the right track and there is so much more to explain, in saying that let's get to know who was created to be able to understand Yin, Yang, Big Red and use his tool the human body he is in to explain for all of you where we come from, where we go when we die, if we get to live more than one life, who the Angles are and their purpose here on Earth and other stuff...
Sun*Tzu is Jr. the Devil, Pan or the Horned One who has had many different names given to him throughout history in many different cultures and he hides in the mentally toughest of all the Zodiac signs Taurus the Golden Bull of Heaven. If you don`t know who Sun*Tzu is here is some material to read about him...
http://www.easy-strategy.com/sun-tzu.html
Sun*Tzu also used the Pentagram to describe the elements of life and military strategy to win battles with minimal conflict as seen here...
http://scienceofstrategy.org/main/conte
Now for (Big Red), Big Red is whatever was there before the big bang that created the elements which triggered the big bang as any builder could tell you with no materials you can`t build anything unless you have supernatural abilities and can create something out of nothing like a for lack of better word God. Now Big Red which is what I like to call the God I believe in that was responsible for the intelligent design of the universe with leaving clues behind like the Venus Pentagram as seen here...
*Creating The Venus Pentagram*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nI3Ky8mhj8
Is it just random coincidence that this happens over 8 Earth years with 8 turned sideways being the symbol for infinity which is how big the Universe is, (Big Red interrupts and says*You silly Scientists who say the Universe expands are stupid because for it to be able to expand you would first need to know where the center is and where the edges are and well do you, NO, and even if you did what is the Universe expanding into, empty space you say, well is that not part of the Universe too, anyways, my point is, quit preaching about what you do not know anything about until you do, but keep thinking, you're close to being on the right track!*) I hate it when Big Red does that, anyways where was I, oh yeah, random coincidence, is there really such a thing as a coincidence and if so how many coincidences does it take for a coincidence to no longer be a coincidence?
In conclusion, YinSun*Tzu/Yang & (Big Red) are our friends and they want to help in whatever way they can but they can only do so much for they are trapped in my mind and body but occasionally (Sun*Tzu interrupts and says*We can take over Taurus's thoughts anytime and share with you all what we know and if we don't know we can guide you on the right path towards figuring it out with our ... which confuses most people except Angles and most of whom follow the Pagan, Witch Craft & wiccan paths!*) they speak up and say things like Sun*Tzu just did, I'm just glad Yin & Yang are behaving themselves, those two are troublemakers! (Yin says*We aren't, we just like playing games with each other teasing each other until either Sun*Tzu or Big Red steps in and...*) (Yang says*That's right, cause no one understands us better than Sun*Tzu & Big Red and when they put their foot down we know to shut up and listen to their ...'s, look at that Yin I almost finished with a . but that's no fun, this is...*)
You see what I mean everyone, Yin & Yang never finish their sentences because there are so many different ways they could complete them, so all you want Yin & Yang for is to amuse you and tickle your brains to get you thinking of what they could possibly mean but when Sun*Tzu or Big Red say something you should consider it an honor that they spoke to you.
To conclude this part of my story I will leave you with a song that will explain who I AM, who I have inside me, what we believe in which is Druidism and what we are here to do for the human race along with guiding them towards igniting their inside candle.
*Kristina - Horehronie*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0ABOuEqhF0
Let's have some fun...Last edited on Mon Feb 6th, 2012 06:13 pm by Jobujack
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Posted: Mon Feb 6th, 2012 07:11 pm |
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so, you asked a question to which you had the answer to already? right? and are you saying you can help guide us??? just trying to figure out what you are saying exactly....?
welcome by the way........dee
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Posted: Mon Feb 6th, 2012 09:39 pm |
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dee wrote:
so, you asked a question to which you had the answer to already? right? and are you saying you can help guide us??? just trying to figure out what you are saying exactly....?
welcome by the way........dee
Well, I kinda know the answer, but the topic I'm talking about can't be proven one way or the other 100% scientifically and not really, I can only guide those who need or want guiding but I'd prefer everyone choosing their own path instead of just blindly following someone else's.
Now what I'm trying to say is what are you opinions on Pentagrams in Palm lines being a symbol of past lives and one who has a coincidental astrological tie to his Zodiac signs governing planet should do like perhaps research before talking with others about what it means, which is what I've done and now I just want to see if anyone else has been on the same journey as I have.Last edited on Fri Feb 10th, 2012 05:55 pm by Jobujack
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Posted: Fri Feb 10th, 2012 06:03 pm |
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Perhaps I've asked the wrong way or no one here at this site has no information about what it means for a person to have a Pentagram in their palm lines.
I just want you all to know that I don't know for sure but I know I'm onto something with this topic of Pentagram's and other symbols in your palm lines being a sign of living past lives and I just wanted to know if any of you know of any other site than this next one that I'm going to link that explains palm line symbols and what they mean...
*Palmistry symbol meanings*
http://ladyshadowfeather.tripod.com/revgigisbos/id46.html
So do any of you here believe in past lives and or palmistry, I would like to know and have a conversation about what all you may know from your life journey...
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Posted: Sat Feb 11th, 2012 02:23 pm |
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hi again.......well, there has been a lot of posts in this forum about past life....and I think everyone here does believe in that as truth....if someone doesn't I have not yet met them.........I've always believed in reincarnation...since a young age...early teens.
and that palmistry is a guide ....as to what you came into this life 'with' and how your life is progressing on the other hand...as everyone will see lines change as they age...they take different routes .......it's quite awesome to watch....free will...can change everything....my lines even show the child I lost in pregnancy...so that was crazy to me............
I think you'll find most in this forum 'do' believe in past life experiences....even to actually 'remembering' some of them........past life regression etc..........
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Posted: Sat Feb 11th, 2012 03:08 pm |
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Thanks for the response Dee and I agree with you that palmistry is a guide to your past lives and true origins depending on what symbol or symbol's you have in your palm lines and what your birth date is.
I've been attempting to tie together my past by tracing back to where all the Pentagram and my Zodiac sign Taurus has popped up throughout history and I've pieced together a fascinating story, well at least it is to me...
Also, I'm sorry to hear that you lost a child, you have my condolences, I know it's a little late but I meant it Dee, there isn't anything worse than loosing a child during pregnancy and it makes me sad to hear of anyone having to go through that but on the plus side, the soul of your unborn child will get to come back, you can count on that!
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Posted: Wed Feb 15th, 2012 03:19 pm |
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one word concerning that...he could have venus within is natal birth chart...this is where the planets are when you are born and within the hour you were born..since we really don't know his rising sign is this is left for man to speculate if they so want to..such matters aren't important really back home as everyone is accepted for who they are and don't have to worry about the perils of earth life those who wrote the books of the bible or helped write the books of the bible didn't think it was relevent...
I was born with a heart birthmark on my left elbow and i received the numeral 7 mark when I was a teenager..yes I knew that I was different from others as my experiences all confirm it and before I knew better I would try to run and fit in and be like everyone else...God stopped it...I am grateful for all of my experiences thus far and without them I wouldn't be able to fully understand how Jesus must have felt at times and how God feels at times...
My rising sign is gemini aka the twins which is very accurate for me...and I know what the meaning behind it is..it is an aha the being i that remains aynon (his wishes) is right type of feeling 
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Posted: Wed Feb 15th, 2012 06:04 pm |
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I find it interesting that you age a Gemini Ancient_Archa with all that we've talked about in the thread "Hearing voices in your head other than your own".
Here is a story that I've been working on and it's about the order the Angles, Human's, Witch's and Jinn's were created...
God, IT after sacrificing itself to cause the Big Bang and spread itself throughout all space creating the Universe Created life in this order, starting off with the One Man to carry ITS burden so 1 was created to bear YinSun*Tzu/Yang & (Big Red)which is Taurus, then 4 Jinn's and One Witch were created to help the Taurus to carry ITS burden so 1 was the One Man Taurus, 2,3,4,5 were the 4 Jinn's, 6,8,9 & 7 are YinSun*Tzu/Yang & (Big Red)who were created next and though the order may not appear to be right it is and their is a reason.
So Yin was created 6th, 8th was Sun*Tzu to be protected from Big Red in between Yin & Yang so Yang was created after Yin and Sun*Tzu 9th so that Yin and Yang's creation numbers when placed beside each other look like tha yin/yang symbol, next was Big Red who is 7, then the first Witch was Created 10th and she is the soul of Venus the Goddess of Love who Taurus the Golden Bull of Heaven Protects. 11th was Gemini and 12 his twin brother who desperately wants to be like Taurus.
There is so much more I have figured out as well, if you are interested and let me know I will continue with the numbers of 13-31...Last edited on Wed Feb 15th, 2012 06:14 pm by Jobujack
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Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 06:55 am |
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Jobujack wrote: I find it interesting that you age a Gemini Ancient_Archa with all that we've talked about in the thread "Hearing voices in your head other than your own".
Here is a story that I've been working on and it's about the order the Angles, Human's, Witch's and Jinn's were created...
God, IT after sacrificing itself to cause the Big Bang and spread itself throughout all space creating the Universe Created life in this order, starting off with the One Man to carry ITS burden so 1 was created to bear YinSun*Tzu/Yang & (Big Red)which is Taurus, then 4 Jinn's and One Witch were created to help the Taurus to carry ITS burden so 1 was the One Man Taurus, 2,3,4,5 were the 4 Jinn's, 6,8,9 & 7 are YinSun*Tzu/Yang & (Big Red)who were created next and though the order may not appear to be right it is and their is a reason.
So Yin was created 6th, 8th was Sun*Tzu to be protected from Big Red in between Yin & Yang so Yang was created after Yin and Sun*Tzu 9th so that Yin and Yang's creation numbers when placed beside each other look like tha yin/yang symbol, next was Big Red who is 7, then the first Witch was Created 10th and she is the soul of Venus the Goddess of Love who Taurus the Golden Bull of Heaven Protects. 11th was Gemini and 12 his twin brother who desperately wants to be like Taurus.
There is so much more I have figured out as well, if you are interested and let me know I will continue with the numbers of 13-31...
Yes I know all the meanings behind the constellations...its very interesting as i see you are connecting the chinese philosophy ( the yin/yang ideals) along with the western ideals ( the taurus) I believe that you will enjoy the ancient sumerian lore as well...
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Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 02:56 pm |
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| I did find the Sumerian stories about Enki and Enlil interesting too just as I found it intriguing that the Bull's (Possibly a symbolic tie to Taurus the Golden Bull of Heaven) origins in mythology can be traced back to this period of time...
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Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 03:03 pm |
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That's good unfortunately its all jumbled up and there are different events that are misplaced and put with different characters and so on so it to is a mess...but that's because human's memories or their veiwpoints on what really took place varies from individual to individual.
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Posted: Thu Feb 16th, 2012 03:49 pm |
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Then it's a good thing the humans have our kind who can tell the story the way it happened.
After Gemini and his twin were created 12th & 13th the rest of the constellations Angles souls were created, 14 was Capricorn, 15 was Pisces, 16th Cancer, 17th Virgo and 18th Scorpio and those 5 Angles are aligned with Taurus.
Gemini is in charge of the other side and his Angles were created next with 19 being Aquarius, 20 Aeries, 21 Leo, 22 Libra and 23 Sagittarius.
The 24th Angle to be created was Gemini's souls mate and 25th his brothers souls mate and 26th is the souls mate to the 1st Witch's soul that was created 10th.
Next in the creation process is the Trinity, the Bull, cow and calf, the three wise men, The father, son and holy ghost or 27 The maiden, 28 the mother and 29 the crone.
Now there are 20 Major Angles that were created, 4 Jinn's, One Witch, her souls mate and the trinity, next on the list were the 2 first human souls, for simplicity sake I will just call them Adam and Eve created 30th & 31st.
That is all I have remembered so far but it sure is an interesting start don't you all think?
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Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2012 03:07 pm |
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I prefer to read the sumerian and babylonian versions myself..they are more accurate in the ancient history, creation and so on in that instance..and much more entertaining and besides it triggers my memories so I know a lot of what they talk about actually did take place...I was there.
the photo below shows a picture of Gilgamesh & Enkidu slay the Bull of Heaven.
Enjoy!
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Posted: Fri Feb 17th, 2012 05:05 pm |
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I like to read as many different stories about the creation of Universe and everything that followed as I can, comparing notes and connecting the dots which allowed me to come up with an even more ancient story than the Sumerian story...
I find it interesting the story about Enki and Enlil slaying the bull of heaven, but I was never able to figure out exactly why they were so jealous of Taurus in the first place... they weren't very nice... just like the Matadors that taunt and tease bulls with red just to dodge out of the way and stab them in the back...
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Posted: Mon Feb 20th, 2012 01:01 pm |
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Jobujack wrote: I like to read as many different stories about the creation of Universe and everything that followed as I can, comparing notes and connecting the dots which allowed me to come up with an even more ancient story than the Sumerian story...
I find it interesting the story about Enki and Enlil slaying the bull of heaven, but I was never able to figure out exactly why they were so jealous of Taurus in the first place... they weren't very nice... just like the Matadors that taunt and tease bulls with red just to dodge out of the way and stab them in the back...
Actually it was Gilgamesh that slayed the bull...and true the bull did nothing wrong...but don't worry there are other bulls in heaven and cattle and sheep and goats and other animals..and from what I have heard that bull fighting is now illegal so I was happy to hear that. 
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Posted: Mon Feb 20th, 2012 03:28 pm |
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ancient_archa wrote:
Actually it was Gilgamesh that slayed the bull...and true the bull did nothing wrong...but don't worry there are other bulls in heaven and cattle and sheep and goats and other animals..and from what I have heard that bull fighting is now illegal so I was happy to hear that.
My bad, it's been a while since I read that story about Gilgamesh... also, I'm not worried as I know all to well what waits in the Heavens and true, there are other animals in Heaven but there is only one Taurus the Golden Bull...
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Posted: Mon Feb 20th, 2012 03:33 pm |
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Jobujack wrote: ancient_archa wrote:
Actually it was Gilgamesh that slayed the bull...and true the bull did nothing wrong...but don't worry there are other bulls in heaven and cattle and sheep and goats and other animals..and from what I have heard that bull fighting is now illegal so I was happy to hear that.
My bad, it's been a while since I read that story about Gilgamesh... also, I'm not worried as I know all to well what waits in the Heavens and true, there are other animals in Heaven but there is only one Taurus the Golden Bull...
It's okay
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Posted: Mon Feb 20th, 2012 04:09 pm |
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Thanks for understanding Ancient_Archa...
Now as for everyone who has been reading this thread and this one...
*Hearing voices in your head other than yours*
http://forums.yourangels.com/forum18/4176.html
it has now come time to tie these two threads together for they are part of the bigger picture as to who and what "The Lucifer" is... "The Lucifer" is mankinds spirit guide and Mother Earths guardian Angel, but unfortunately everyone has forgotten this truth so "The Lucifer" will not be able to do his souls purpose this time which is uniting the Lost Angles and freeing mankind from the C.H.I.M.P.S (Corporate, High-Tech, Individual, Monetary, Prison, System).
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Posted: Mon Feb 20th, 2012 06:50 pm |
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sorry this is just way too off base for me...........there is no Lucifer in my book....there is God.........and we are not here to study those dark, black, gray areas....our true path is to reunite with God......and those who continue to seek these darker areas will just continue to come back until they get it right.........see?
I don't get upset if someone doesn't see things my way....but....I do get upset when people keep spreading things of evil and darkness when that will only prolong our true purpose of our reasons of being here in the first place.......there is a story of our soul....but learning about the darker energies is not where we come from....and politics has nothing to do with our returning to our Oneness with God..........
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